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Stick Talk: AR-15s, Scool Shootings, The National Rifle Association, and Due Process.

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-- Aussie Impressions of a Missing Moynihan

-- A Gay Dad’s Homophobia

-- Australian Federalism; Who Knew?

-- Libertarianism, Shmibertarianism!

-- Islands Are Weird, Man

-- QR Covid Tracking Is Totally Fine

-- Concentration Camp or Exercise Yard?

-- Anti-Science Quarantines

-- What Tucker Carlson Got Wrong

-- What Tyler Cowen Got Right

-- The CRT/Abortion Parallels

-- He’ll Come Visit Just as Soon as He Can Escape!


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- Lead Astray

- Wrong Line

- Blues Traveler

- Sugar in his Tank

- When in Kabul

- Repeal/Replace/Keep the AUMF for another 20 years?

- Matt's Basement is Flooding (No, Really)

- 1/2 Trimester

- The Reverend Dr. James P Eagle Sr

- The Rule of Law

- Playin Coach

- Reading Playboy for the... Ads?

Recorded: 9/1/21

Published: 9/2/21


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W/ Eli Lake, Opinion Columnist @ Bloomberg

- New Dad

- Moynihan's Big Night Out

- Things to Remember (or Naw)

- Meet Gutter (He Kidnaps Kids)

- Whose on Top

- The Most Inevitable Thing in the World

- Hard Limits

- Public Sentiments

- Vietnam Syndrome

- Hip Hop Conservatives

- Afghan Clean Up

- The Afghanistan Variant

Recorded: 8/23/21

Published: 8/25/21


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W/ David French

- Various Notes on the Amy Cooper Interview

- The Enablers

- Earnest Disagreement

- The Two Illiberal Wings of Twitter

- False Dichotomies, All The Way Down

- Negative Partisanship and the Politics of Animosity

- When ‘Your’ Base Turns on You

- The Home Teams Defect

- Structural, Systemic, Real, Imagined

- Revising the CRT Bans

- The Empty Promise of CRT

Published: 8/10/21


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  • Coco Shoots Her Shot
  • Gangs All Here
  • New York is Back**
  • Real Winners Don't Bother Trying 
  • Carrying MJ Off The Floor
  • Just Quit
  • Masks + Superstition
  • Save the Babies
  • Surprise 🎁
  • The Stories We Refuse to Tell Ourselves
  • If It Happened

Recorded: 7.27.2021

Published: 7.29.2021


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w/ Jonathan Rauch @ Author of 'The Constitution of Knowledge: A Defense of Truth.' Senior fellow @BrookingsInst. Contributing writer @TheAtlantic.

- I Heart Lizzo

- Where Things When Wrong

- Flooding the Zone

- Breaking Journalism

- The Humanitarian Threat and Moral Clarity

- Cancel Culture, Information Warfare, Social Coercion

- Truth + Checking

- Greatest Leap Forward

- Ibram Orwell

- Bans, Martyrs, Inevitable Failure

- Separate, Equal. Same Great Taste.

Recorded: 7.6.2021

Published: 7.9.2021


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'Well, it's my show. So, it's how I wanna do it.' - Joy-Ann Reid

'I can do what I wanna do.' - Bobby Brown

'Whateva! Whateva! I do what I want!' - Eric Cartman

w/ Chris Rufo @ Senior Fellow, The Manhattan Institute -- Contributing Editor, City Journal

- When Rufo Met Reid

- The Art of Culture War

- Activist Journalist

- Critical Race Theory: Boardroom, College Campus, Neighborhood Preschool

- Bans, Censorship, Pedagogy, Choice

- Machiavellian Realism, Pyrrhic Victories

- Classical Liberal Caution, Libertarian Naïveté

- The 'Last' Word

- Creed Wars and Culture Wars

- Welch Reviews Robin DiAngelo's 'Nice Racism'

- 'Doing The Work'

- Dr. Heathcliff Huxtable

- Pro Criminal Justice Reforms + Pro Putting People Under the Jail

- Broken Promises

Recorded: 6.30.2021

Published: 7.2.2021


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  • Kmele reveals his big secret!
  • What on Earth is a 'coupon Karen'?
  • When Shaun Was King
  • When Kmele was king of Juneteenth
  • Measuring the outrage economy
  • Measuring the wages of junk history
  • Racist car crashes
  • 'When the people fail, the concept fails'
  • The end of Afghanistan (the war / the country)
  • There's a perpetual riot goin' on
  • Another CRT digression
  • RIP to an entertaining, insane, narcissistic, possible murderer

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New York Daily News columnist Harry Siegel joins TFC for the first hour to talk all things New York (with a focus on halfwit mayoral candidates jockeying to replace a halfwit mayor). But if you don't care about kvetching, NYCentric coastal elites, the back half of the show is, as usual, about how coastal elites are dumb, joyless, and boring. Something for everyone.

- New York is back? Harry is back to tell us it never went away

- Harry would rather be an effete, elitist jerk wearing his mask too long, thank you very much

- The New York City mayoral race tells us nothing about America

- The weirdness of Eric Adams

- Check the crime, y'all

- 'Desegregating' NYC schools

Harry Siegel Postgame

- The increasingly annoying CRT debate

- Defining truth in an era of lies

- Pointless: the Joe and Vlad summit

- More cyber war hawkishness from Moynihan (obviously)

- The lessons we never learn from 9/11

- The dangers of political violence--and of opposing (certain) political violence

- You're wrong about Jeff Bezos's taxes


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Florida is open for business, so The Fifth Column flung its masks into the garbage and headed to the Sunshine State for back-to-back live shows in Miami (coming soon to Patreon!) and a poolside recording in Key West (hence that hollow sound). Nursing hangovers and gasping in the heat, the lads stumble through the following pressing (and pointless) topics:

- Those Miami shows were pretty fun, eh?

- Wait, why exactly are we in Florida?

- Kmele thinks Creepy Joe wasn't being creepy

- The global minimum tax is dumb

- Ransomware everywhere

- This not wearing masks things is pretty great, innit?

- COVID addicts, COVID miscellany

- Kmele on the Fauci emails: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

- The end of Tiananmen

- State violence works

- And so very much more...


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w/ Jane Coaston @ (Host, 'The Argument' @ The New York Times)

  • Take Four
  • From Vox to NYT's 'Rising Libertarian Star' 
  • Coming Out
  • John Brown
  • The Black Community
  • Appraisal of America's Racial Reckoning
  • The New Culture War
  • Anti-Racist Classrooms and Workplaces
  • Slightly Off Mic
  • Whole Foods Edge Lord
  • Panics, Counter-Panics, Counter-Counter-Panics

Recorded: 5.28.2021

Published: 6.2.2021


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  • Radical Honesty
  • A Year of (Racial) Reckoning
  • Losing the Thread
  • George Floyd
  • Amy Cooper, Christian Cooper... and the other dog walkers?
  • Covering Lab Leaks and UFOs
  • The Death of Truth
  • The Myth of Objectivity
  • Journalism for the Real World
  • Boston Basketball (and racial slurs)
  • Trump Grand jury

Recorded May 26, 2021


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w/ Congressman Peter Meijer (R-MI)

  • Crypto Bloodbath
  • UFOs -- or are they UAPs
  • The Jan 6th Commission (Part I)
  • Lori Lightfoot Won't Talk To White Journalists
  • Homeless in San Francisco
  • The White Man's Burden
  • A Call from Peter
  • About That Vote
  • The Revolt of the Public
  • The Feels
  • The Truth is Out There

Recorded May 19, 2021


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The lads (minus Kmele, recently felled by his second Pfizer shot) welcome Los Angeles Times columnist Gustavo Arellano, host of the new LAT podcast 'The Times' and author of Taco USA: How Mexican Food Conquered America. Note that after an hour of Gustavo's trademark Southern California/Mexican smack talk--in which he defends Taco Bell, ruminates on 'LatinX,' explains 'Tio Tacos' and 'Chicanosauruses,' and describes American ethnic tensions that don't involve white people (!)--Moynihan and Welch return to discuss the on-going disasters in Israel, the economy, and the Republican Party.

Sure, everything is awful. But as always, The Fifth Column is here to point out just how awful and reassure you that it absolutely won't get better in the near future.

Recorded May 12, 2021


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- The Fifth Column live in Miami! Is this the post-COVID Gilluming you’ve been waiting for?

- Matt is Drudged: equity v. equality

- Racism becomes more systemic, less specific 

- Basecamp asks employees to leave politics at the door…or head for the door

- Are a bunch of smart libertarian legal scholars wrong or super wrong?

- The Socialist Network: the GOP wants to compel Facebook to be nice to DJT

- The GOP wants to compel Liz Cheney to stop being mean to DJT

- Matt and Kmele yell at each other about Hillary Clinton and DJT

- And so very much more....


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w/ Paul Rossi (Math Teacher and Writer)

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A verdict in the trial of Derek Chauvin, the former officer convicted of murdering George Floyd, is an undeniable milestone for the entire country with wide-ranging implications for American media, politics, and culture. Had things gone differently, America would likely have seen another outbreak of 'mostly peaceful protest' -- seasons with healthy smatterings of outright political violence.

And in K-12 classrooms across the country, another phase of America's 'racial justice' cultural war continues to play out. Paul Rossi joins our distinguished triumvirate to share details of the still-unfolding drama he incited by voicing opposition to one elite Manhattan private school's critical race theory-inspired antiracism programming.

Plus:

  • Adam Toledo
  • Ma'Khia Bryant
  • 'Kindly Inquisitors'
  • Why one Miami Venue REFUSED to host @wethefifth live recording (Hint: 'It's cause somebody got' that transphobia.' SMH)

Recorded: 4.21.2021

Published: 4.23.2021

'Just cuz I'm a freak, don't mean that we could hit the sheets' - Gregory Jacobs


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'What you think all the guns is for?' - Christopher Wallace

w/ Alex Nowrasteh (Director of Immigration Studies @ The Cato Institute)

A supersized dispatch, because fully resolving the various problems in America's immigration and criminal justice system -- takes a little time. Especially when you're forced to contend w/ WHITE SUPREMACY [Insert Ghost Emoji]. It's kinda like a podcast-mixtape.

A - SIDE

  • The Curious State of US Immigration
  • Reality, Theater, Textbook Political + Bureaucratic Failure 
  • The Welfare State vs Open Borders 
  • The (Great?) Replacement
  • AOC's Plan
  • Kamala's Rope-A-Dope

B - SIDE

  • DMX, Shawn Kemp, Bob Marley
  • Humble Beginnings
  • The Defense Rests
  • Where the Hell is Brooklyn Center
  • The Word You're Looking For is 'Discharge'
  • Live Tweeting
  • We're Going to South Beach

Recorded: 4.14.2021

Published: 4.17.2021

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  • Hunter 'Squirtle' Biden
  • Matt 'Making Arrangements' Gaetz
  • Adventures in the Havana Hilton?
  • When Everything is Sex Trafficking? (Not Exactly)
  • A New Era of Bipartisanship
  • Win Ben Stein's Heart
  • The American Metaphor Council
  • Who's D riving the Democratic Party
  • China and Bitcoin
  • Self Correcting Journalism
  • Tweets Bad. Accessory to the murder of a Judge -- we have to be understanding
  • Kmele Loves Guns
  • Universal Basic Income for Mom's of Color
  • Structural Racism Tamagotchi
  • Harrison Bergeron General Hospital

Recorded April 8th, 2021

Published April 9th, 2021


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(In No Particular Order)

  • Live From New York
  • DRINK
  • AOC AMA
  • CDC Press Conference 
  • Mask Etiquette
  • DRINK
  • Derek Chauvin on Trial (Week 1)
  • Eight Fingers Left
  • Tar Babies
  • A Thing Greater Than Yourself
  • Voter Suppression 2.0
  • DRINK
  • Corporate Welfare
  • Five Pinocchios
  • Ending Ken Burns
  • The Cowardly Doormen

Recorded April 1st, 2021

Published April 3rd, 2021


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Summary

  • Kmele Loses an Entire Dispatch
  • Moynihan's Most Racist Voice
  • Important Homework
  • What We Might Have Talked About
  • Mass Shootings
  • Hate Crime Hysterics and Lies
  • Ending the War in Afghanistan
  • Nationa Building
  • Whale Watching + 400 Years of Suffering
  • Leaving Sesame Street

Recorded March 25th, 2021

Published March 26th, 2021


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Guest: Jeffery Sachs, Lecturer in Politics @ Acadia University

  • Snyder Cut
  • Sympathy for Dictators
  • Useful Pretense of Justice
  • How Did Sachs Get It So Wrong
  • State of the New Culture War
  • Free Speech Hypocrisy
  • The Left Is Worse, Right?
  • Power Imbalance
  • Coastal Myopia
  • What if We're Wrong (Again*)

Recorded March 18th, 2021

Published March 22th, 2021


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Guest: Katie Herzog, HOST @ 'Blocked & Reported'

  • Keeping Secrets
  • Coming 2 America
  • Transphobia is Bad
  • A Most Prescient Cancelation
  • Say THE WORD, Katie
  • They'll Never Give You A Reson
  • The Tax Code is Racist
  • Plato's Utopia
  • Rescue Package in Name Only
  • Tucker Carlson, Mean Person
  • Tinker Taylor, Toy Soldier
  • Virtual Ball Busting
  • Pretending Things Ain't Complicated
  • The Shape of A Joke
  • The Many Trials of George Floyd
  • RIP DC

Recorded March 10th, 2021

Published March 12th, 2021


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Guest: Ben Smith, Media Columnist @ The New York Times

  • From BuzzFeed to The NYT
  • When Your Bosses are Kinda THE Story
  • Why We Can't Stop Talking About The Times
  • Newsroom Cultural
  • White Privilege and Employee Orientation
  • Resignations*
  • Caliphate vs. 1619
  • 'My Notebook Remains Open'
  • Losing the Newsroom
  • You Will Sign This Letter
  • Vanilla Mandella
  • Biggie Smalls
  • When Van Met Ibram X
  • Simple, Elegant, Almost Certainly Wrong
  • Things Get Worse for Cuomo

Recorded March 2nd, 2021

Published March 4th, 2021


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Guest: Matt Taibbi @ Contributing Editor @ Rolling Stone. Author, 'Hate Inc'

  • Niggarati
  • Privilege Childhood
  • The Art of the Substack Deal
  • The Shift
  • An Active Conspiracy or An Active Conspiracy
  • The Escape, And Uncertain Horizon
  • It's Just a Camp, For Kids, So It's Fine
  • Trump at CPAC
  • A Good Shoot
  • Bidenomics
  • Listen to Black People
  • Didn't Even Say The Word

Recorded Feb 24th, 2021

Published Feb 25th, 2021


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Guest: Martin Gurri @ Author, 'The Revolt of the Public'

  • Prophecy, Historical Cycles, and Modest Frameworks
  • From Information Monopoly to Information Tsunami
  • Public Dissatisfaction
  • Elites in Crisis
  • Public Nihilism
  • Historical Amnesia
  • The Yellow Vests, Jan 6th, 2021
  • Political Sectarianism
  • Truth + Objectivity + Resentment
  • Drama at the New York Times
  • The Future of Media and Truth
  • Plato's Perfect Form of Justice
  • Fact Check

Recorded Feb 17th, 2021

Published Feb 18th, 2021


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  • Pump and Dump
  • Matt Bought Crack
  • Real Compton City Gs
  • Really Only One Bad Word
  • The Public Interest
  • Irrelevant Context
  • MTG vs. AOC: Most Insane? Best Actress?
  • 'I Can Only Be a Non-White Person'
  • Why The Culture War Matters
  • Merit: The Racism of Fairness Racist
  • Covid Cumo, And the Incurious Media

Recorded Feb 3rd, 2021

Published Feb 5th, 2021


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Guest: Van Lathan @ 'Higher Learning' (Co-Host), Previously @ TMZ

Kmele and Van connect for a wide-ranging conversation about racism, reconciliation, and finding common ground. It's yet another exercise in constructive disagreement. In fact, it's the back half of a three-hour discussion that managed to feature vanishingly few points of agreement -- and zero personal insults.

  • Oculus Quest
  • THOUGHT Warriors
  • Uncle Tom: A Most Dangerous Man
  • If Everyone Listened to Kmele...
  • Listing + Reconciliation
  • Representation
  • Racecraft
  • Strangefruit
  • MLK and the FBI
  • Juneteenth
  • Candace Owens Brother

Recorded Jan 27th, 2021

Published Feb 3rd, 2021


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  • Make a Mint w/ Moynihan
  • Who's Behind the Squeeze
  • On the War Path
  • Strange Bedfellows
  • Popularity Contests
  • Even Libertarians
  • Equity and Private Prisons
  • Coming Attractions

Recorded Jan 28th, 2020

Published Jan 29th, 2020


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It is upon us: that very rare occasion when we unlock a Patreon episode for the masses. 🎁🎁🎁

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Rather than our typical bullet-pointed show notes, we'll keep this one short and sweet. Because try as they might to pull the conversation away from Kmele's bravura performance on Real Time with Bill Maher, the lads just couldn't manage it. Although they do respond to a listener email about the Pet Shop Boys...and Kmele does says the word kerfluffle.

That is all. 

Enjoy.


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  • Is Melania the greatest first lady since Florence Harding?
  • Does MC Hammer hate Kmele?
  • Let the sycophancy begin!
  • Qanonsense
  • Understanding the Trump voter
  • We're all weird and wrong
  • The new Republican Party is awful. So is the new Democratic Party.
  • The dumb 1776 project: 'It's like Stephen Miller pooped on a legal pad'
  • Hating big tech
  • How not to combat bad speed

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Guest: Anna Khachiyan @ 'Red Scare' (Co-Host)

  • Kinda Canceled
  • Holding the Mic
  • Outrage Boner
  • Dirtbags
  • Tight Sweaters, Tighter Shirts
  • Mo' Impeachments
  • The MAGA Riots
  • Culpability
  • Cultural Amnesia, Sweetest Taboos
  • Canceling Trump
  • Canceling the Rest of Yall?

Recorded Jan 13t, 2020

Published Jan 14th, 2020


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Welcome to 2021

  • A Coup d'état? An Insurrection?
  • A dark beginning? A despicable bookend? A world of shit?
  • We'll get to that -- but we're gonna need a lot more booze.

Recorded Jan 6th, 2021

Published Jan 7th, 2021


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- Kmele 2020

- AllyShip

- Secret Shows

- The Internet Never Forgets

- Trap Lord

- Burning the Witch (and maybe that annoying lady from down the street too)

- Puritanism Without The Fun

- Schadenfreude

- Inconveniencing the Steal

- Eviscerating Democracy (w/ Hyperbole)

- Stop Laughing -- It's Not Funny

- Thank You

Recorded Dec 30th, 2020

Published Dec 31st, 2020


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Guest: Greg Lukianoff @ Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (President). Co-Author, 'The Coddling of the American Mind'

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Recorded Dec 23rd, 2020

Published Dec 25th, 2020


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  • New Views
  • Demographic Considerations
  • What Seems to Be The Problem Officer?
  • The Honorable Minister
  • Vaccine Rollout
  • Careful Reporting
  • Post Trump News Cycle
  • The Flagrancy
  • Predicting Apocalypse

Recorded Dec 17th, 2020

Published Dec 19th, 2020


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Look, you asked for it. Fifth fan favorite (ed - we really don't understand you people) and Mother Jones editorial director Ben Dreyfuss (né Gould) is back. And the results are wonderfully shambolic. But seriously: make sure the kids are in bed before press play....

  • Ben is 'on leave' from Mother Jones
  • Why Ben's editor blocked him on Twitter (and you should too)
  • No ice in Hawaii, no avocados in Wisconsin
  • The worst movie Ben's dad ever made (Or was it the best?)
  • Why everyone in DC hates Facebook
  • Why people read dumb articles on Facebook
  • Ben starts a Substack. Obviously.
  • What Ben learned about Donald Trump in the suicide ward
  • Manipulating people on the internet
  • And so much more...

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