152 - w/ Steve Kornacki 'Straight News, Political Tribalism, Chappell's Sticks & Stones'

Recorded: September 4th 2019
Published: September 7th 2019
Guest: Steve Kornacki, National Political Correspondent for NBC News and MSNBC. Author of 'The Red and the Blue: The 1990s and the Birth of Political Tribalism'
- RIP, Vice News Tonight on HBO
- Everybody kinda likes Joe Walsh
- The 'Straight Man' on MSNBC
- New Jersey politics is so much more fun than national politics
- Kamala Harris channels robot John Edwards
- Negotiating with the Taliban
- Casualty counts matter
- It’s a better and worse media moment
- An alternate history where Mario Cuomo decides to run
- Pulling a string on Kornacki and he just goes
- Bill Weld’s novels
- Lonelier than the ideological middle is the temper-mental middle
- The guardrails have been annihilated
- Admitting to liking Chappelle’s show
- US military “protecting elections”
- The T Zone
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w/ Jesse Singal (Contributing writer at New York Magazine | Author, 'The Quick Fix')
- Jesse's New Book- Jesse's Atlantic Cover Story ('When Children Say They’re Trans')- Omarosa vs Trump- Unite the Right 2- Laura Ingraham- The War on Journalism
(Recorded August 15th, 2018)
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- The Case Against Impeachment [ Mike Pence Would Be Worse ]- Kmele at MSNBC [ How To Be An Uncle Tom ]- Owning the Libs, Beefin on Twitter- Libs vs. Socialists- Black Chicks- Talking to the Enemy, Sitting Down w/ Trump- Race, Essentialism, Identity Politics
(Recorded August 8th, 2018)
'shout out to the plug'
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- Moynihan Meets D'Souza, Trump Jr
- Kmele Finishes A Story
- Sarah Jeong: Racist or Racist?
- Russian Hacking + Facebook
- QAnon
- Trump, Manafort, Witch Hunt
- Some Idiot Wrote This
- RIP, Andrea Rich
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- Jane's Origin Story
- What Conservatives REALLY Want
- 'Locking HER Up'
- Ignoring Michael Cohen
- Facebook's Holocaust Problem
(Recorded Wednesday, July 25th, 2018)
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w/ Ben Domenech (Publisher, The Federalist)
Acting Trans, Scaling the BuildingRussian IndictmentsTrump/PutinThe New Vietnam SyndromObama's Mandela SpeechWould that we could all say [that one word] - Part IIWHO FUNDS THE FEDERALIST?
(Recorded Wednesday, July 18th, 2018)
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Foster and Fisher are joined by legendary civil liberties attorney Ken White (of Popehat blogger and Twitter fame) and Damon Root (Reason's resident SCOTUS journalo and the author of 'Overruled') to chop up the Justice Anthony Kennedy's surprise retirement announcement, his legacy, and the confirmation shitstorm that's sure to come.
Also on tap:
- SPLC's capitulation to Maajid Nawaz's defamation suit- SCOTUS upholds the travel ban, busts public sector unions, and tells cops to get a warrant for long-term cellphone location records.
Bonus bull session on civility, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, civil rights, public accommodations, free association, and why no elected officials should be allowed to eat anywhere, ever.
(Recorded: Tuesday, June 27th 2018)
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IN THIS DISPATCH:
- Is the Western Alliance kaput? Does it matter?
- Did Trump hand Kim a propaganda win, and if so, isn't averting nuclear war the bigger win?
- North Korea shares a border with Russia and Rachel Maddow is ON IT
- Moynihan shows up late
- It's Trump's GOP until further notice and they're cool with 'neo-Confederate' candidates, thank you very much
- Michelle Wolf 'comedically' slams Bari Weiss for something she never did
- Welch hates high school baseball hugs
- 'Our ass is in the jackpot'
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(Recorded June 6th, 2018)
w/ Josh Szeps (formerly Zepps, frequently misspelled as Zeeps) host of '#WeThePeople LIVE' and “The People Versus”
IN THIS DISPATCH:
- Brisbane to Boston.
- Clive James’s death watch
- Kanye drops “Ye”
- Slavery may be a choice after all
- Kat Timpf falls out of a tree...
- Jim Acosta was wrong about Kim Kardashian
- Bill Clinton is a widower
- Bill Clinton is the real victim, but he's kinda sorry too
- Moynihan goes full “fxck your interns”
- Free Love
- Pardon Me (Myself)
- Death By China
- Josh Zepps, Globalist
- Starbucks/Roseanne/Samantha Bee
- BIG SWINGING APE BALLS
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(It feels so good it should cost -- Bought an alligator, I ain't talkin' Lacoste)
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(Recorded May 25th, 2018)
A conversation w/ Jacob Mchangama, Host of 'Clear and Present Danger: A History of Free Speech' podcast. (http://www.freespeechhistory.com)
- Pronouncing Mchangama- A Bit of Free Speech History- Cartoon Jihad- Panic and Crisis- Culture and Legislation- Filthy Jokes- 'The Great Awokening'- An Abrupt Ending
'Jacob Mchangama is the founder and executive director of Justitia a think tank focusing on human rights and a Visiting Scholar at Columbia’s Global Freedom of Expression Center. He has commented extensively on free speech and human rights in outlets including the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, The Economist, Foreign Affairs and Foreign Policy. Jacob has published in academic and peer-reviewed journals, including Human Rights Quarterly, Policy Review and Amnesty International’s Strategic Studies. He is the author of the critically acclaimed and award-winning book, MEN Ytringsfrihedens Historie i Danmark (BUT: The History of Freedom of Expression in Denmark). He is the author and presenter of the short documentary “Collision: Free speech and religion” (2013). Mr. Mchangama is a 2016 Marshall Memorial Fellow. He is the recipient of numerous awards for his work on free speech and human rights.' (from http://www.freespeechhistory.com)
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- 'Are You Black?'
- Calling the Cops on Black Kids
- Isreal and Palestine: A Primer (Deliberately Calibrated to Infuriate Everyone)
- Michael Cohen: Maker of Great Deals
- When Everyone Hates (But No One Bothers to Read), Your Work
- When Everyone Loves (But No One Bothers to Read), Your Work
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18:00+ Host Grab-Assing20:00+ Defending Red-Pill Kanye, Why Slavery is Always YOUR fault36:00+ Morrissey's Politics, Lennon's Domestic Violence40:00+ Coping with Persistent (and almost certainly imaginary) Threats on Your Life45:00+ Phrase Politics, Welch goes off the reservation50:00+ Moynihan's Perpetually Offended53:00+ Stormy Daniels74:00+ Inside the Fox Green Room ALSO: - Trade Talk- The Best Tinted Glasses- The WHCD, Press Freedom Farce, Why Journalism Awards Suck- Welch Goes on a Sinclare Media RantSee acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
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A conversation with evolutionary biologists Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying.
- On Free Speech, Campus Culture- Identity- Scientific Investigation & Tabboo Topics- The Intellectual Dark Web- Evolution, Culture, Markets, Media, and The Academy
In THE SUMMER OF 2017, Bret Weinstein found himself at the center of an ‘equity and inclusion’ maelstrom at Evergreen State College, where he and his wife Heather Heying were both members of the faculty. The resulting scandal would result in the couple parting ways with the school, but not before attracting the attention of national media. Bret and Heather are currently unaffiliated academics in exile who frequently write and speak about their experience at evergreen, the state of American campuses and a host of increasingly controversial issues related to their principal field of study.The pair dropped by the studio to chop it up with Matt Welch and Kmele Foster.
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Matt's surprisingly strong opinions about Kanye West's endorsement of Candace 'Red Pill Black' Owens.Joy Reid wasn't a huge fan of the gays, wrote some questionable things on the subject, and it appears Kmele is ready to forgive her. Rand Paul's latest flip-flop (Fisher is unimpressed).Trump bros-out with French president Macron. ALSO: Extended notes on the Starbucks Controversy, spontaneous reggae outbursts, impromptu seance, and a surprise cameo. 'You already know it's THE FIFTH, baby!' - A Very Wise ManSee acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
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PROGRAMMING NOTE: Sorry for the unusually tardy release. This conversation was recorded approximately five days ago (prior to the most recent intervention in Syria), but the release was delayed by matters of great significance and urgency (which I won't bother to outline here). All the same, it's still a very fine vintage.
(Recorded: April 12, 2018)
with: Ben Dreyfuss (Mother Jones) and Kat Timpf (Fox News Channel, National Review)
- Facebook Congressional Hearings
- The (continuing/looming) War in Syria
- Trump May Fire (Muller, Rosenstein, and Anyone Else with the Temerity to “Attack America”)
- The Kevin Williamson Affair (Abortion, The Atlantic, and Capital Punishment -- Oh My)
- Race & IQ
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(Recorded: March 27, 2018)
A conversation w/ Amy Chua (@amychua), Yale law professor and author of numerous books including: 'Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother', 'The Triple Package', 'World on Fire', and her latest book 'Political Tribes: Group Instinct and the Fate of Nations'.
“Today, no group in America feels comfortably dominant. Every group feels attacked, pitted against other groups not just for jobs and spoils but for the right to define the nation’s identity. In these conditions, democracy devolves into zero-sum group competition — pure political tribalism.” - Amy Chua, 'Political Tribes'
- Identity, Ethnicity, and Culture- Super-groups, Market Dominate Minorities- Tribes of America and the State of Her Politics- The Immutability of Tribalism and the Limits of Democracy
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(Recorded: March 28, 2018)
with
Tom Slater, Deputy Editor @ Spike'd
Tina Nguyen, Politics and Media Reporter @ Vanity Fair
Marching for our Lives, Poisoning Spies, Activist Journalist...
- Moonshine, Poison (Half a Helping of Each)
- Killing Marco Rubio
- Teenage Sainted Activist Student Journalist
- Making America Great Again + Putting Y'all Back in Chains
- Kevin Williamson Moves to The Atlantic (Assorted Persons Freakout)
- Garbology
- How to Be Pro Brexit w/o Going Full White Nationalist
- Slightly Russia Linked
- Never Having to Say You're Fired
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This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wethefifth.substack.com/subscribeRecorded: March 15, 2018
We've got FiveThirtyEight's Jody Avirgan in the studio. Matt is on assignment someplace.
This Week:
Is there a free speech 'crisis' on campus?
Moynihan and Jody's considerably different approached to sparking media frenzies.
PLUS: Rex, we hardly knew ye (literally). But was he all that stood between us and the CIA's 'enhanced interrogation' dominatrix?
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Welch, Moynihan, Fisher and Foster are in attendance.
An increasingly unlikely Presidential visit to North Korea.A seemingly permeable steel and aluminum tariff.A growing interest in POTUS's indiscretions w/ a Porn StarAnd Sam Nunberg's media PsyOp (and/or) breakdown
Pertinent Notes:
- 'A Strange new respect...'- 'A tribute vice pays to virtue...'- 'The Q got that D...'
(and at Moynihan's insistence)
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Oscar Talk: Best and Worst, Most Overrated and Ryan Gosling
Stick Talk: AR-15s, Scool Shootings, The National Rifle Association, and Due Process.
featuring
ANDY LEVYSenior Producer of the “S.E. Cup Unfiltered” on HLN
SONNY BUNCHExecutive Editor @ The Washington Free BeaconCo-Host @ The Weekly SubStandard Podcast
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'Whenever I hear some bigmouth in Washington or the Christian heartland banging on about the evils of sodomy or whatever, I mentally enter his name in my notebook and contentedly set my watch. Sooner rather than later, he will be discovered down on his weary and well-worn old knees in some dreary motel or latrine, with an expired Visa card, having tried to pay well over the odds to be peed upon by some Apache transvestite.' - Hitch
- The Great (XXL) Black Panther Debate
- Richard Spencer & DeRay Mckesson: CODEFENDANTS
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This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wethefifth.substack.com/subscribe+ Indispensable Commentary On That [treasonous/heroic/meh] Nunes Memo+ Context, Collusion and Russian Conspiracies+ A Foreign Policy Primer+ Briefest of notes on Trump's first State of the Union
(Recorded February 1st 2018)
Note: This dispatch was recorded the day before the MEMO was released, honestly -- you won't be able to tell the difference.
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This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wethefifth.substack.com/subscribew/ Bari Weiss (@bariweiss), Staff editor and writer @ New York Times Opinion (Former Wall Street Journal, Tablet Magazine)
An expansive, high-quality dispatch that was unfortunately marred by technical mishaps. It's not actually Fishers fault (quite the contrary in fact). xpan
Things improve considerably as the release goes on.
- Government Shutdowns- Amnesty Don's Great Big Amnesty Bonanza- Skipping out on the Wall Street Journal, Making Trouble at the New York Times- #MeToo- Trump Wanted to Fire Mueller- Collusion, Obstruction or YAHTZEE!
Recorded: January 25th, 2018
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Moynihan is back, Matt was an illegal immigrant, and Kmele was *front* row for Lebron vs. Steph.
Plus: DACA. FISA. Shit. #MeToo.
Recorded: January 15, 2018
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Recorded: January 5, 2018
- Kmele’s Axioms of Child Rearing- Long on Fury, Short on Fire- Red Flags, Fake News on Facebook- Trump's Tax Cut, Regulation Busting - Heather Mac Donald vs. Everybody
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This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wethefifth.substack.com/subscribeRecorded: December 21, 2017.
Michael Moynihan (Vice News) in conversation with the incomparable Tina Brown. On the business and practice of journalism, the marvelous island of Manhattan, the authentic bullshit of Donald Trump, and #metoo.
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with/ Jeffrey Blehar (@EsotericCD) of Decision Desk HQ and The Political Beats podcast.
We talk the recent Alabama Senate election and the FCC's controversial decision to rescind Obama-era net neutrality rules.
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An expansive exchange with renowned social commentator and linguist, John McWhorter. McWhorter is a Professor of English and Comparative Literature at Columbia University. He's the author of twenty books including 'Words on the Move' (2017), 'Talk Back, Talking Black' (2017), and 'Losing the Race' (2000).
Also Referenced:“Antiracism: Our Flawed New Religion” (2015 - The Daily Beast)“How to Listen to Donald Trump Every Day for Years” (2017 - The New York Times)'Tragically Unfit to Be President' (2017 - The New York Times)
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- Seducing Kevin Spacey
- James O’keefe
- Fake Headlines, Faker Stats
- Dumbest News Day Ever
- Britain First, Murder Allegations
- Trashing Bob Woodward
- Some Idiot.... ABORTED
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This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wethefifth.substack.com/subscribeFCC Chairman Ajit Pai drops in to explain why he's returning the Internet to the dark ages of... 2015.
PLUS:
- Draymond vs. Mark Cuban
- The AOL-Time Warner instant messaging juggernaut
- Janet Jackson's wardrobe and Stephen Colbert's c***holster
And why won't the FCC just let Slim Shady be?
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This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wethefifth.substack.com/subscribeRecorded: Thursday, November 8, 2017.
We chat with Rob Mariani, former opinion editor for the Daily Caller, about Milo's first (and last) weekly column -- and how to handle radioactive things without getting burned.
Plus:
- questioning Moynihan's sexuality;a very gay historical debate;the intellectual dead end of 'just trolling' politics.
(Columnist Interruptus)
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Trump takes a long 'grueling' trip to the Far East, maybe tempers the crazy and manages to get cooked in the elections stateside.
PLUS:- Aubrey and Kojo- The Meek Mill Guide to Criminal Justice Reform- 10 Lbs of Gelatin- Moynihan Got it For *Cheap*
CORRECTION: 'Dreams & Nightmares' was definitely a studio album and not a mixtape.
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With Special Guests:
Josh Zepps - Host, #WeThePeople LIVE (@WTP_Live, @joshzepps)
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Recorded on Thursday, October 26th, 2017
Moynihan and Kmele are on Assignment -- Welch takes the reins.
With Special Guests:
Nancy Rommelmann - Journalist, Author of 'To The Bridge'
Bill Schulz - Host of Compound Media's 'Mornin'!!!! w/ Bill Schulz'
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'The opposite of a way with words'
- How Chad Saved Moynihan’s Life (and Why We're Huge in Canada)- Former President Bush and John McCain Have Strong Words for Trump - Totalitarianism, Populism and Economic Uncertainty- US Troops in Africa, Calling Up Gold Star Parents- The Opposite of a Way With Words- When 'Everything' is 'Some of the Things'- Morbid Premonitions, A Non-Fatal Stroke- When Louis (Farrakhan) Met Richard (Spencer)
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The Harvey Weinstein Controversy1) What To Do With “Shitty Media Men?2) Why won't Hillary and Barack say anything?
Tillerson, Corker and World War III1) The Worst of All Possible Worlds2) Death by Non-Proliferation
Trumps Assault on the Media1) 'When the President says it in public...'2) How We Got Lucky With Trump
PLUS:Google, Twitter, and a Tangible ThreatMatt's Mom Bought Him a Mug.Kmele Says Completely Unacceptable Things (almost every dispatch)
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