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I need to listen to this again: since Kmele went on Higher Learning, that pod has taken an interesting turn... I wonder if the pod would be nearly as civil with Rachel Lindsay on.

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Of course, the Higher Learning pod that comes out the day I write this has Van shouting out Kmele on Juneteenth being the easiest holiday to celebrate! Link: https://listen.stitcher.com/yvap/?af_dp=stitcher://episode/203438632&af_web_dp=https://www.stitcher.com/episode/203438632&deep_link_value=stitcher://episode/203438632

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