Just want to say I really enjoyed the Jonah Goldberg and Kevin D. Williamson (and Gillespie) episode of that other podcast Matt hosts. Great discussions.
I don't know if you guys read these comments, but worth it to look for the midnight/1AM news conference Walz gives on the first night of the riots. In his statement, Walz blames, and this is a quote "white supremacists and drug cartels" for the violence on the first night.
Remember "umbrella man"? Walz held a press conference where they announced they had a suspect, as if they solved the case of who first started breaking windows. And they insinuated he was a white supremacist. The Star Tribune refused to name the suspect tho because they concluded the only tip in the case was flimsy.
At the outset of the riots, Walz went out of his way to blame boogeyman because he knew the rioters were likely his constituents. This is the same as people who claim "ANTIFA" did J6.
He also spent a lot of time talking about "people from out of state", and then crowed about how most of the people arrested were from out of state, when the reality was they simply didn't arrest people from in the state and were exaggerating the numbers badly on top of that.
Quotes from a local news source timeline. "A state senate investigation from October 2020, shows Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey called Governor Tim Walz at 6:29 p.m. Wednesday [May 27, 2020] asking to send in the National Guard." Texts between mayoral staffers " He responds, "[staffer] said Walz was hesitating." The guard was activated 2:30 PM May 28, 2020, by the governor. The mayor and police department failed to give a mission description so that even though they were prepared to deploy they didn't deploy around the 3rd Precinct. "Gen. Jensen told reporters May 29. "We never got such mission assignment. We never got such mission description."
Ultimately, "the state senate report concluded “If Mayor Frey had acted in a decisive manner and allowed law enforcement to use nonlethal force to stop the rioters, the destruction of the Third Precinct would not have occurred, and the rioting would not have escalated as quickly as it did. If Governor Walz had acted in a decisive manner by activating the Minnesota National Guard when requested, the riots would have been brought under control much faster.”
The comparison to the claim that atifa did jan 6 is apt. I also find the attempt to blame "white supremacists and drug cartels" noxious. But "uniquely" unqualified? Come on, he's not even the least competent person on his ticket.
Minnesotan here. Props to Kornacki for the most sober Walz analysis yet. Like many places, the urban-rural cultural and political divide in MN grows larger by the year. Walz, who represented a now-unwinnable rural district for 12 years, understands this and ran an explicitly unifying campaign in 2022 under the slogan "One Minnesota."
It decidedly did not work. On the county-by-county results maps rural MN is darker red than it was in 2018. Lesson here: a seed company hat and carharts do not a rural populist make.
An aside: my old apartment parking lot abbuttted a very restaurant. When I started up my car at night the lights would shine right in the faces of champagne drinkers. One time this happened right in the middle of a Walz fundraiser and he was startled. A literal deer in the headlights. I enjoyed it.
I disagree on this “Sanders is a consistent, authentic person” angle they cover. He owns multiple homes, made bank on a book deal, and considers his wealth his and not at all a greedy thing, unlike those greedy millionaires and billionaires, over there.
What's wrong with getting paid because you books were bestsellers? Along with athletics and music, that's pretty much the least "oppressing the proletariat" way to earn many. The talent was yours alone.
Be the change you want to see in the world. If your whole worldview is how the rich should be giving to the poor, but you are in the national 1% and global 0.1%, there are reasons to suspect you are an asshole.
I mean the easiest counter argument to “the talent was yours alone” is that he used a publisher and various resources that helped him gain that success. But also, my point wasn’t that he made money selling a book.
My point was I don’t agree that’s he’s a consistent, authentic person. More than most other politicians? Maybe? I can’t say. I just know that he seems to make exceptions for his principles where his personal material wealth begins and ends.
Maybe there’s authenticity in the hypocrisy. I’m always willing to be wrong about it!
It seems nuts that the Dems have already picked a guy to run, given him the axe, and selected his replacement, all before having even held their primaries in the state where I vote. I guess democracy supposedly being on the line means not being able to entrust picking a candidate to idiots like me. Ultimately I don't give a shit since I de-registered from that party after the last elections and thus, wouldn't be voting in its primary anyway, but at the same time, it's hard to pass up an opportunity to bash them.
Meh the party picked their candidate in the majority via a primary, he resigned, his delegates went to his VP. Pretty straightforward. for a party and falls in line with what would happen in a presidential resignation. What’s actually undemocratic is trying to overturn the results of an election via a fake electors scheme. Still holds. Hope you’re at least voting in the actual presidential election for a candidate who didn’t do that.
No offense, but you seem to be smoothing over the obvious lumpiness of your side by downplaying its significance and pointing out the faults of the opposing party. Whether they have serious issues in the reasoning of their positions and amoral nature of their tactics (they clearly DO) is a question entirely independent of what sorts of problems exist with the opposing party. If I were to tell you my issues with Dems were leading me to write in Michael Jordan on my ballot, your justifications based on how unfit Trump don't offer any real defense of Democrats' tactics. I think an acceptable of justification in Kamala being the choice might be that it's too late in the game for a sufficiently robust primary to take place, however, that isn't ideal since it's even less democratic than usual. Personally, I'm leaning toward not voting, although if either candidate announced support for something that'd bring tangible benefit to my life, I'd be open to voting for them, but also open to scrutinizing and criticizing their decisions. I think our democratic process suffers because we don't routinely engage in efforts to make it more democratic, which is why we're looking at having to choose between 2 individuals, neither of whom seems like they could possibly be in the top tier of people most capable of serving their constituents.
Your claim was about how democratic things are. I pointed out what actual undemocratic activity looks like (trying to overturn the results of a general election for President of the United States with fake electors) and what it doesn’t look like (a political party’s electors choosing the next in line as their candidate when their primary candidate resigns). That’s all. Not that hard to comprehend.
I haven't had a chance to listen yet, but I am keeping my fingers crossed for a discussion of the Olympics and the continuation of Matt's wholesome and inspiring patriotism.
I have to travel to Minneapolis occasionally for work and it has not recovered from the riots. It had only just now started to bounce back because of mandatory return to office but no one wants to go downtown.
Unrelated to that… my boyfriend is Mexican American and grew up in very liberal Denver. In the past election he said he didn’t know a single Trump supporter. This time around most of his Mexican guy friends are on team Trump.
I think part of the difference this time is it now seems more socially acceptable to voice support for Trump. My guess is some of his Mexican guy friends supported Trump in the past as well but just weren't willing to admit it in a social setting. Like the fellas discussed on the pod, it will be interesting to see how the non-white vote plays out in November.
Just want to say I really enjoyed the Jonah Goldberg and Kevin D. Williamson (and Gillespie) episode of that other podcast Matt hosts. Great discussions.
The other podcast is The Reason Roundtable, one of my weekly listens. Here’s the episode link, everyone!
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-reason-roundtable/id1155629323?i=1000664413122
According to KMW Matt’s isn’t allowed to talk about this one over there so I guess maybe we shouldn’t name that one here
oh good to know. will check out. love Kevin Williamson & miss his old Mad Dogs & Englishmen podcast.
Same
It was one of my favorites. Totally agree. 👍
And here I am waiting with bated breath to see if Kornaki is able to detail how both candidates can lose.
...so if the ICBMs hit here, here, and here...
Meteor hits the debate stage. (Secret Service this is not an assassination plot )
I don't know if you guys read these comments, but worth it to look for the midnight/1AM news conference Walz gives on the first night of the riots. In his statement, Walz blames, and this is a quote "white supremacists and drug cartels" for the violence on the first night.
Remember "umbrella man"? Walz held a press conference where they announced they had a suspect, as if they solved the case of who first started breaking windows. And they insinuated he was a white supremacist. The Star Tribune refused to name the suspect tho because they concluded the only tip in the case was flimsy.
At the outset of the riots, Walz went out of his way to blame boogeyman because he knew the rioters were likely his constituents. This is the same as people who claim "ANTIFA" did J6.
Walz is uniquely unqualified to lead.
He also spent a lot of time talking about "people from out of state", and then crowed about how most of the people arrested were from out of state, when the reality was they simply didn't arrest people from in the state and were exaggerating the numbers badly on top of that.
Quotes from a local news source timeline. "A state senate investigation from October 2020, shows Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey called Governor Tim Walz at 6:29 p.m. Wednesday [May 27, 2020] asking to send in the National Guard." Texts between mayoral staffers " He responds, "[staffer] said Walz was hesitating." The guard was activated 2:30 PM May 28, 2020, by the governor. The mayor and police department failed to give a mission description so that even though they were prepared to deploy they didn't deploy around the 3rd Precinct. "Gen. Jensen told reporters May 29. "We never got such mission assignment. We never got such mission description."
Ultimately, "the state senate report concluded “If Mayor Frey had acted in a decisive manner and allowed law enforcement to use nonlethal force to stop the rioters, the destruction of the Third Precinct would not have occurred, and the rioting would not have escalated as quickly as it did. If Governor Walz had acted in a decisive manner by activating the Minnesota National Guard when requested, the riots would have been brought under control much faster.”
https://www.kare11.com/article/news/verify/verify-gov-walz-national-guard-2020-riots/89-7ad7732b-7e57-4e09-bd7b-13f7cf15712d
Uniquely unqualified compared to who? The former insurrectionist in chief?
The comparison to the claim that atifa did jan 6 is apt. I also find the attempt to blame "white supremacists and drug cartels" noxious. But "uniquely" unqualified? Come on, he's not even the least competent person on his ticket.
Minnesotan here. Props to Kornacki for the most sober Walz analysis yet. Like many places, the urban-rural cultural and political divide in MN grows larger by the year. Walz, who represented a now-unwinnable rural district for 12 years, understands this and ran an explicitly unifying campaign in 2022 under the slogan "One Minnesota."
It decidedly did not work. On the county-by-county results maps rural MN is darker red than it was in 2018. Lesson here: a seed company hat and carharts do not a rural populist make.
An aside: my old apartment parking lot abbuttted a very restaurant. When I started up my car at night the lights would shine right in the faces of champagne drinkers. One time this happened right in the middle of a Walz fundraiser and he was startled. A literal deer in the headlights. I enjoyed it.
Urban/rural and men/women.
I disagree on this “Sanders is a consistent, authentic person” angle they cover. He owns multiple homes, made bank on a book deal, and considers his wealth his and not at all a greedy thing, unlike those greedy millionaires and billionaires, over there.
I think he’s stopped saying millionaires n billionaires after he became a millionaire haha
What's wrong with getting paid because you books were bestsellers? Along with athletics and music, that's pretty much the least "oppressing the proletariat" way to earn many. The talent was yours alone.
Be the change you want to see in the world. If your whole worldview is how the rich should be giving to the poor, but you are in the national 1% and global 0.1%, there are reasons to suspect you are an asshole.
I mean the easiest counter argument to “the talent was yours alone” is that he used a publisher and various resources that helped him gain that success. But also, my point wasn’t that he made money selling a book.
My point was I don’t agree that’s he’s a consistent, authentic person. More than most other politicians? Maybe? I can’t say. I just know that he seems to make exceptions for his principles where his personal material wealth begins and ends.
Maybe there’s authenticity in the hypocrisy. I’m always willing to be wrong about it!
I literally was wishing for a kornacki episode. Amazing. Thanks lads!
Sexiest man "alive," sure- but even after he dies he'd still be hot for like a week.
“Couch friend,” Matt? You guys had JD over?
OH OKAY Mr "I only fuck people" Shyovitz
It seems nuts that the Dems have already picked a guy to run, given him the axe, and selected his replacement, all before having even held their primaries in the state where I vote. I guess democracy supposedly being on the line means not being able to entrust picking a candidate to idiots like me. Ultimately I don't give a shit since I de-registered from that party after the last elections and thus, wouldn't be voting in its primary anyway, but at the same time, it's hard to pass up an opportunity to bash them.
Meh the party picked their candidate in the majority via a primary, he resigned, his delegates went to his VP. Pretty straightforward. for a party and falls in line with what would happen in a presidential resignation. What’s actually undemocratic is trying to overturn the results of an election via a fake electors scheme. Still holds. Hope you’re at least voting in the actual presidential election for a candidate who didn’t do that.
No offense, but you seem to be smoothing over the obvious lumpiness of your side by downplaying its significance and pointing out the faults of the opposing party. Whether they have serious issues in the reasoning of their positions and amoral nature of their tactics (they clearly DO) is a question entirely independent of what sorts of problems exist with the opposing party. If I were to tell you my issues with Dems were leading me to write in Michael Jordan on my ballot, your justifications based on how unfit Trump don't offer any real defense of Democrats' tactics. I think an acceptable of justification in Kamala being the choice might be that it's too late in the game for a sufficiently robust primary to take place, however, that isn't ideal since it's even less democratic than usual. Personally, I'm leaning toward not voting, although if either candidate announced support for something that'd bring tangible benefit to my life, I'd be open to voting for them, but also open to scrutinizing and criticizing their decisions. I think our democratic process suffers because we don't routinely engage in efforts to make it more democratic, which is why we're looking at having to choose between 2 individuals, neither of whom seems like they could possibly be in the top tier of people most capable of serving their constituents.
Your claim was about how democratic things are. I pointed out what actual undemocratic activity looks like (trying to overturn the results of a general election for President of the United States with fake electors) and what it doesn’t look like (a political party’s electors choosing the next in line as their candidate when their primary candidate resigns). That’s all. Not that hard to comprehend.
This was SUCH a great episode. From, “We know of new methods of attack…” to “Bye.” Loved it.
In honor of the bill buckner conversation and the baseball project song, this is the Steve Bartman version of that - https://youtu.be/slIHk6QytcM?si=KhG6XK7G3NmFBlvH
I haven't had a chance to listen yet, but I am keeping my fingers crossed for a discussion of the Olympics and the continuation of Matt's wholesome and inspiring patriotism.
It got athletic, but of the baseball variety. Hard not to be wholesome and inspiringly patriotic when you're talking baseball.
Please tell me you asked about his cousin Mr. Pommel Horse
I want to thank you for putting yourselves in danger and discussing Walz and Frey and the burning of a city I used to love and now dread going to
Steve is hot. True story!
I have to travel to Minneapolis occasionally for work and it has not recovered from the riots. It had only just now started to bounce back because of mandatory return to office but no one wants to go downtown.
Unrelated to that… my boyfriend is Mexican American and grew up in very liberal Denver. In the past election he said he didn’t know a single Trump supporter. This time around most of his Mexican guy friends are on team Trump.
I think part of the difference this time is it now seems more socially acceptable to voice support for Trump. My guess is some of his Mexican guy friends supported Trump in the past as well but just weren't willing to admit it in a social setting. Like the fellas discussed on the pod, it will be interesting to see how the non-white vote plays out in November.