I like Josh, but I was a little surprised with his hot take about the current state of the Dem party. He doesn’t really seem to think the Dems need to change much despite admitting multiple times their standard positions on some hot button issues are more or less hard R Retarded…I don’t know how to reconcile that. He calls it close but they got smoked by a historically unpopular president…and some of their own voters feel actual relief they lost.
I like Josh Barro and won’t ever stop laughing at his comments on Vivek Ramaswamy being section guy, but imho his comments re the Ds acting like HR hall monitors and dismissing it as really just prevalent in academia is just not accurate and indicates he’s wearing blinders on this point.
Before listening- for those of us who live on the other side of the world and couldn’t attend the second Sunday - is there a recording of it? I feel neglected and socially isolated. Thank you!
I’m flabbergasted that Josh’s insights of not being far off from being successful and that Harris was actually really close to winning are…patently wrong?
Up until that point he seemed like an even keel Democrat, but that kind of outlook feels insane from where I’m standing.
I used to follow Josh really closely… but over the past few years I’ve found his commentary more and more off base. I’m not sure what’s happened, but I wonder if he’s found himself in a bubble post-Left, Right, and Center.
How was it not close? The popular vote ended up 49.9 to 48.4. If you were in a room with a hundred people and 50 chose one guy and 48 chose the other, you'd call it close.
If Kamala had punched some hippies, gone on Rogan, and spoken comprehensible English she might have eked out a win.
I look at it this way - winning the popular vote by 2 million is close as a percentage but 2 million more people is a lot of people. So if he won by like…10,000 then that would be close.
But also, he performed better than before almost everywhere. Harris performed better than Biden almost nowhere. He won 30 out of 50 states. The electoral vote wasn’t particularly close.
When I think of close, I think of single states determining the outcome of an election. I think of how meddlesome arson of mail voting boxes could affect the outcome. I think of how the preamble of needing weeks or months after the election to determine a winner is thoughtful necessity. But that’s just me.
312 versus 226 electoral votes, and Trump won the total votes by over 2,000,000 — Is how it was not close. Hits harder when it is written out in regular form.
That is close in a nation the size of America. It was close when he won the first time, it was close when he lost, it was close when he won this time. And with a candidate as awful as kamala??? And after they all pretended it wasn't weekend at Bernie's white house edition Lol the democrats did WAAAAAAY better than they should have.
I had just finished Jonathan Rosen’s “The Best Minds” when the Daniel Penny thing happened. Much of the book explains de institutionalization and its tragic ramifications. Seems like we could come up with some reasonable legislation to help those that can’t and won’t help themselves.
This was a great episode. I do think Josh was wrong on one thing - the HR bullshit cannot be separated from the crime/immigration stuff. They are inextricably linked. Neither crime nor inflation can be addressed while the Dems clutch pearls every time someone says "homeless" or "illegal."
Unrelated edit: the Communists at Jacobin once called Josh Barro a "Barrometer" that identifies policies that should automatically by opposed by the DSA/psycho wing of the party. I still LOL at this every time I read/hear Josh
Yeah the language policing definitely keeps from reasonable discussion on issues. But I think most reasonable people have pushed back and stopped caring about the "right language" and just talk like normal people. Some in the language police camp are starting to follow as most of them think it's ridiculous but wanted to be part of the "in" group.
As part of my job, I deal with a lot of West Coast companies/orgs. Lots of pronouns in the signature block although no one has ever addressed it in a meeting. This week I had a meeting with a homeless org South of San Jose. I was shocked the were using the term "homeless" rather than the term "unhoused." Even the lefties are sick of this shit.
Ah yes, Josh Barro, one of the pseudo-centrist hosts of the only NPR show I listen to regularly: Left, Left, and Center. That said, is the fact that I agree with Josh on the crime point over Kmele the final nail in the coffin of my libertarianism?
On the title “Centrism Kills” - the first time Trump won, I had a fb friend say loud, confidently, and with ringing endorsements that all centrists deserve a brick in the face for enabling Trump voters.
If some people had their way, yes, centrism would kill.
Seems like the solution for larger publications is to allow the subscriber to choose who their money goes to behind the paywall. If you like a particular journalist, you get to assign a portion of your subscription to that journalist after reading their article. The subscription could cap it to fund other portions of the business while rewarding the best journalists.
Loved Josh on Left Right and Center. After he left, the bubbled idiots at NPR couldn’t seem to find another centrist to moderate. The current guy is insufferable.
I do NEED to know if Luigi is related to Chuck Mangione, master of the flugelhorn. Super pressing journalistic issure. Am I the only one who knows "Feels So Good"??
I wish Nick Gillespie was in the room when Michael said, "Every Italian in American history has been guilty."
I like Josh, but I was a little surprised with his hot take about the current state of the Dem party. He doesn’t really seem to think the Dems need to change much despite admitting multiple times their standard positions on some hot button issues are more or less hard R Retarded…I don’t know how to reconcile that. He calls it close but they got smoked by a historically unpopular president…and some of their own voters feel actual relief they lost.
Disappointed that "Luigi Mangioni, murderer of my holes" didn't make the cut for episode title, fellas.
'Murder me, Luigi' would have been a good title.
I like Josh Barro and won’t ever stop laughing at his comments on Vivek Ramaswamy being section guy, but imho his comments re the Ds acting like HR hall monitors and dismissing it as really just prevalent in academia is just not accurate and indicates he’s wearing blinders on this point.
Before listening- for those of us who live on the other side of the world and couldn’t attend the second Sunday - is there a recording of it? I feel neglected and socially isolated. Thank you!
This will be posted, as soon as tomorrow.
Thank you!!
Hallelujah!
And with that Cohen is stuck in my head for the day.
https://youtu.be/YrLk4vdY28Q?si=OFH4IUizWxdX6dNj
You’re welcome!
Metoometoometoo
Pressure baby!
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I’m flabbergasted that Josh’s insights of not being far off from being successful and that Harris was actually really close to winning are…patently wrong?
Up until that point he seemed like an even keel Democrat, but that kind of outlook feels insane from where I’m standing.
Kind of makes one question how sound his judgement is on a few things they discussed…Thais one really surprised me.
Yeah these centrists who can't quit the dems are just baffling to me at this point.
I used to follow Josh really closely… but over the past few years I’ve found his commentary more and more off base. I’m not sure what’s happened, but I wonder if he’s found himself in a bubble post-Left, Right, and Center.
How was it not close? The popular vote ended up 49.9 to 48.4. If you were in a room with a hundred people and 50 chose one guy and 48 chose the other, you'd call it close.
If Kamala had punched some hippies, gone on Rogan, and spoken comprehensible English she might have eked out a win.
I look at it this way - winning the popular vote by 2 million is close as a percentage but 2 million more people is a lot of people. So if he won by like…10,000 then that would be close.
But also, he performed better than before almost everywhere. Harris performed better than Biden almost nowhere. He won 30 out of 50 states. The electoral vote wasn’t particularly close.
When I think of close, I think of single states determining the outcome of an election. I think of how meddlesome arson of mail voting boxes could affect the outcome. I think of how the preamble of needing weeks or months after the election to determine a winner is thoughtful necessity. But that’s just me.
Except we still have an electoral college - CA/NY throws off the curve as always - but the pickup was massive across the country.
Correct!! Wait.. Not about the Rogan thing. But yes it was way closer than people like to pretend.
312 versus 226 electoral votes, and Trump won the total votes by over 2,000,000 — Is how it was not close. Hits harder when it is written out in regular form.
... in the word of Donald Trump himself, 'wrong'
That is close in a nation the size of America. It was close when he won the first time, it was close when he lost, it was close when he won this time. And with a candidate as awful as kamala??? And after they all pretended it wasn't weekend at Bernie's white house edition Lol the democrats did WAAAAAAY better than they should have.
I think it's WILD to think otherwise.
I feel like it's been too long since we've had a ben Dreyfus disaster.
I mean, Chicago was only four months ago.
Exactly. Too long.
ah, i think i might have missed that one. it was never on the podcast feed, right? wasn't it only available on yt?
https://www.youtube.com/live/42nOkXDCde8
My favorite lib Josh Barro 🩷🩷🩷🩷
“This kid” - nah, the minute you assassinate someone, you stop being a kid.
I had just finished Jonathan Rosen’s “The Best Minds” when the Daniel Penny thing happened. Much of the book explains de institutionalization and its tragic ramifications. Seems like we could come up with some reasonable legislation to help those that can’t and won’t help themselves.
OMG! Same. I just came here to post about Rosen's terrific book. He really dives deep into the dangers of the anti-psychiatry movement.
This was a great episode. I do think Josh was wrong on one thing - the HR bullshit cannot be separated from the crime/immigration stuff. They are inextricably linked. Neither crime nor inflation can be addressed while the Dems clutch pearls every time someone says "homeless" or "illegal."
Unrelated edit: the Communists at Jacobin once called Josh Barro a "Barrometer" that identifies policies that should automatically by opposed by the DSA/psycho wing of the party. I still LOL at this every time I read/hear Josh
Yeah the language policing definitely keeps from reasonable discussion on issues. But I think most reasonable people have pushed back and stopped caring about the "right language" and just talk like normal people. Some in the language police camp are starting to follow as most of them think it's ridiculous but wanted to be part of the "in" group.
As part of my job, I deal with a lot of West Coast companies/orgs. Lots of pronouns in the signature block although no one has ever addressed it in a meeting. This week I had a meeting with a homeless org South of San Jose. I was shocked the were using the term "homeless" rather than the term "unhoused." Even the lefties are sick of this shit.
Ah yes, Josh Barro, one of the pseudo-centrist hosts of the only NPR show I listen to regularly: Left, Left, and Center. That said, is the fact that I agree with Josh on the crime point over Kmele the final nail in the coffin of my libertarianism?
On the title “Centrism Kills” - the first time Trump won, I had a fb friend say loud, confidently, and with ringing endorsements that all centrists deserve a brick in the face for enabling Trump voters.
If some people had their way, yes, centrism would kill.
Seems like the solution for larger publications is to allow the subscriber to choose who their money goes to behind the paywall. If you like a particular journalist, you get to assign a portion of your subscription to that journalist after reading their article. The subscription could cap it to fund other portions of the business while rewarding the best journalists.
Loved Josh on Left Right and Center. After he left, the bubbled idiots at NPR couldn’t seem to find another centrist to moderate. The current guy is insufferable.
I do NEED to know if Luigi is related to Chuck Mangione, master of the flugelhorn. Super pressing journalistic issure. Am I the only one who knows "Feels So Good"??