Bill Burr’s vitriol towards corporations and CEOs is the dumbest part of his persona, but he’s had it for a long time. He identifies as a working class, mal-adjusted Boston dude who never learned to handle his anger, and so directs his it at people and institutions he sees as keeping down the working man. He hates people he perceives as …
Bill Burr’s vitriol towards corporations and CEOs is the dumbest part of his persona, but he’s had it for a long time. He identifies as a working class, mal-adjusted Boston dude who never learned to handle his anger, and so directs his it at people and institutions he sees as keeping down the working man. He hates people he perceives as elite - hence why he rails against woke stuff and is skeptical of the type of feminists who are always beating up on men for being… men.
I wasn’t surprised when he started praising Mangione, because he has always had this profoundly ignorant, visceral reaction towards “corporations” and “CEOs”. It’s just your basic, incurious class rage towards those who are more successful and powerful than you. It’s dumb.
It’s especially frustrating when you realize that he never bad-mouths the corporate leaders and entities that have made him a multi-millionaire (Netflix, etc). He sees his own success and excessive wealth as the result of his hard work and bootstrap-pulling, but Brian Thompson’s as the result of corruption and victimization. It’s dumb.
People think that because Bill is anti-woke, and defends regular masculinity, that he’s right-coded, but he’s really just a once-working class lefty at heart, who is very susceptible to conspiracy theories about the rich and powerful.
Generally agree with you, but to be fair, I think that Netflix, etc. didn't make him a multi-millionaire. He did that by being someone millions of people want to watch be funny. And I suspect he'd argue that working with them is a necessary evil, like paying taxes. I also don't think he hated Thompson for being successful and wealthy, but because he disagrees with (doesn't entirely understand, I think) the way insurance deals with medical care.
Good points. He definitely has earned his success. Generally, he seems to respect the rich and successful people in industries that he understands. Ie he doesn’t take issue with Showbiz giants because he knows how hard it is to get there, and understands what it takes. But he has no connection to high-flying executives, and just assumes that they are all nefarious actors who got to where they are by trampling on others and taking advantage of either employees or consumers, or both. He has been railing against “the corporations” for years, and he genuinely seems to believe that they are evil, that they are playing a zero sum game where regular people get screwed, and they make their millions. But it’s not like he ever gives a reasoned critique. He just points at their salaries or their revenue, and says, “obviously they are evil, look at how much money they make”.
Same. He’s a comedian, and his rage makes him hilarious. He also has jokes about solving overpopulation by mass murder, so this Luigi stuff in some ways is just more of the same. It’s not entirely clear exactly how serious he is about his public policy commentary. He usually acknowledges his ignorance.
This kind of sounds like "clown nose on/clown nose off" though. The clips I've seen of him discussing the Thompson murder sure don't sound like he's joking, whereas the context of solving overpopulation via murder makes it clear that he's joking.
I agree. I think he’s so used to being outrageous and hyperbolic in his comedy, that he blurs the lines between being serious and not serious. I think he genuinely does sympathize with mangione, at least in who he identified as the enemy, and because he is so used to making outrageous, disproportionate assessments, it has turned into him feeling like it’s ok to exaggerate and make dramatic/shocking claims about causes he does feel strongly about.
I don’t know if this makes sense. But when you listen to a lot of the comedian podcasters in the Rogan universe, they will talk in these loose, generalizing terms all the time - and it’s usually in a semi-serious context where they are talking about real events and trying to make genuine commentary, but they are still trying to be funny and/or entertaining. They have very little incentive to be reasonable, accurate, or draw logically / morally defensible conclusions. They get so used to this kind of context for their political commentary, that I think they sometimes can stray pretty far from normally acceptable viewpoints. I have observed this in a lot of comedians. It seems like a pitfall that comes with the job. The only way to avoid it is to NEVER try to make any points that are remotely serious, but always stay in character as a comedian. I feel like Tim Dillon is the only one who is so consistently extreme and outrageous, that everything I ever hear him say is always meant as humor, regardless of how much truth there might appear to be. Everyone else shifts back and forth between comedy/commentary so much, that they end up getting into hot water.
Jesus Christ. Thank you. I love the fuck out of Bill. But to say he’s “gone woke“ is a dumbest thing MM has ever said in his life. He’s just taken a page out of the fucking retard right wing book.
Bill Burr’s vitriol towards corporations and CEOs is the dumbest part of his persona, but he’s had it for a long time. He identifies as a working class, mal-adjusted Boston dude who never learned to handle his anger, and so directs his it at people and institutions he sees as keeping down the working man. He hates people he perceives as elite - hence why he rails against woke stuff and is skeptical of the type of feminists who are always beating up on men for being… men.
I wasn’t surprised when he started praising Mangione, because he has always had this profoundly ignorant, visceral reaction towards “corporations” and “CEOs”. It’s just your basic, incurious class rage towards those who are more successful and powerful than you. It’s dumb.
It’s especially frustrating when you realize that he never bad-mouths the corporate leaders and entities that have made him a multi-millionaire (Netflix, etc). He sees his own success and excessive wealth as the result of his hard work and bootstrap-pulling, but Brian Thompson’s as the result of corruption and victimization. It’s dumb.
People think that because Bill is anti-woke, and defends regular masculinity, that he’s right-coded, but he’s really just a once-working class lefty at heart, who is very susceptible to conspiracy theories about the rich and powerful.
Generally agree with you, but to be fair, I think that Netflix, etc. didn't make him a multi-millionaire. He did that by being someone millions of people want to watch be funny. And I suspect he'd argue that working with them is a necessary evil, like paying taxes. I also don't think he hated Thompson for being successful and wealthy, but because he disagrees with (doesn't entirely understand, I think) the way insurance deals with medical care.
Good points. He definitely has earned his success. Generally, he seems to respect the rich and successful people in industries that he understands. Ie he doesn’t take issue with Showbiz giants because he knows how hard it is to get there, and understands what it takes. But he has no connection to high-flying executives, and just assumes that they are all nefarious actors who got to where they are by trampling on others and taking advantage of either employees or consumers, or both. He has been railing against “the corporations” for years, and he genuinely seems to believe that they are evil, that they are playing a zero sum game where regular people get screwed, and they make their millions. But it’s not like he ever gives a reasoned critique. He just points at their salaries or their revenue, and says, “obviously they are evil, look at how much money they make”.
I love him so much because even when he's making ignorant points (you know, the ones I disagree with!) he still makes me laugh.
Same. He’s a comedian, and his rage makes him hilarious. He also has jokes about solving overpopulation by mass murder, so this Luigi stuff in some ways is just more of the same. It’s not entirely clear exactly how serious he is about his public policy commentary. He usually acknowledges his ignorance.
This kind of sounds like "clown nose on/clown nose off" though. The clips I've seen of him discussing the Thompson murder sure don't sound like he's joking, whereas the context of solving overpopulation via murder makes it clear that he's joking.
I agree. I think he’s so used to being outrageous and hyperbolic in his comedy, that he blurs the lines between being serious and not serious. I think he genuinely does sympathize with mangione, at least in who he identified as the enemy, and because he is so used to making outrageous, disproportionate assessments, it has turned into him feeling like it’s ok to exaggerate and make dramatic/shocking claims about causes he does feel strongly about.
I don’t know if this makes sense. But when you listen to a lot of the comedian podcasters in the Rogan universe, they will talk in these loose, generalizing terms all the time - and it’s usually in a semi-serious context where they are talking about real events and trying to make genuine commentary, but they are still trying to be funny and/or entertaining. They have very little incentive to be reasonable, accurate, or draw logically / morally defensible conclusions. They get so used to this kind of context for their political commentary, that I think they sometimes can stray pretty far from normally acceptable viewpoints. I have observed this in a lot of comedians. It seems like a pitfall that comes with the job. The only way to avoid it is to NEVER try to make any points that are remotely serious, but always stay in character as a comedian. I feel like Tim Dillon is the only one who is so consistently extreme and outrageous, that everything I ever hear him say is always meant as humor, regardless of how much truth there might appear to be. Everyone else shifts back and forth between comedy/commentary so much, that they end up getting into hot water.
It is insane to me how Moynihan does not understand this. It’s his hypocrisy at its worst/best depending on your view.
Jesus Christ. Thank you. I love the fuck out of Bill. But to say he’s “gone woke“ is a dumbest thing MM has ever said in his life. He’s just taken a page out of the fucking retard right wing book.